During Joe Rogan Experience episode 2513 with parapsychologist and consciousness researcher Dean Radin, the conversation took a sharp turn toward government attitudes on UFOs and the supernatural when Radin offered an explanation for why UAP research continues to face institutional resistance.
Radin argued that throughout history, Christianity often treated anything outside the sanctioned boundaries of the church as the work of dark forces. According to him, that mindset has not entirely disappeared.
“By the way, there’s still a lot of people in our own government and in the military who believe that,” Radin said. He added that “that is one of the reasons why UFOs has been deflected.”
The comment immediately caught Joe Rogan’s attention. Without missing a beat, he pointed to a high-profile example.
“Oh, JD Vance said he thinks they’re demons,” Rogan replied.
Radin laughed before briefly confirming Rogan’s point. “Yeah,” he said.
Rogan then revealed that the topic is one he intends to revisit directly with the Vice President. “I can’t wait to ask him about that again,” Rogan said.
That single word “again” is worth noting. It suggests Rogan has already discussed the subject with Vance at some point and plans to revisit it in a future conversation.
Vance has spoken publicly at length about his Catholic faith and has previously made comments linking UAP phenomena to spiritual darkness. That perspective aligns with the religious framework Radin was describing as a potential obstacle to serious investigation.
Expanding on his point, Radin argued that the same dynamic extends beyond UFOs.
“The same is true for psychic stuff and UFOs, right?” he said. “This is demonic, people like, we shouldn’t be doing this.”
Despite talking about decades of classified remote-viewing programs and peer-reviewed parapsychology research, the conversation repeatedly returned to a reality Radin described plainly: some influential figures within the American government still approach these subjects through a religious lens that can discourage investigation before it even begins.
