In a recent appearance on “Piers Morgan Uncensored,” renowned astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson proposed an innovative approach to addressing transgender inclusion in sports, suggesting a future where athletes could be categorized by hormone ratios rather than traditional gender divisions.
The discussion, which initially began as a conversation about Mars exploration, took an unexpected turn when Morgan referenced Tyson’s previous debate on the same topic with Bill Maher.
“What I see is [that] sports is on the frontier of how to handle the frontier of people who are trans. It’s on the frontier of how to resolve that,” Tyson explained during the exchange. He then presented his theoretical solution: “I’m making this up now: imagine the future of sports that does not distinguish sex, it distinguishes and sorts people by hormone ratios.”
Tyson elaborated on his concept, stating, “I’m making this up, but imagine that, if that were the case. That would be interesting. You get a hormone test, you’re in this range and then you compete against other people with the same range.”
Morgan dismissed the suggestion, declaring, “That’s ridiculous, Neil, that is ridiculous.” However, Tyson defended his position, drawing parallels to his personal experience in wrestling, where athletes are already classified by weight categories rather than gender.
The exchange grew more intense as Morgan responded, “I say this respectfully because I love you, but it just seems to me like you’ve dug yourself into a hole on this issue and you’re trying to get out of it. You’re suggesting slightly mad cat theories, whereas the science, to me, is obvious.”
The debate highlights the ongoing challenges facing sports organizations as they grapple with questions of inclusion and fair competition in athletics, particularly regarding transgender athletes’ participation.
The Imane Khelif Case and the Debate Over Chromosomal Testing
Rogan weighed in on the contentious case of Olympic boxing champion Imane Khelif, who reportedly failed a gender eligibility test by the International Boxing Association (IBA). According to leaked medical documents, Khelif has X-Y chromosomes and internal testes, characteristics associated with 5-alpha reductase deficiency. Despite this, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) cleared her participation in the 2024 Paris Olympics, requiring only a female gender marker on her passport.
In conversation with Derek from More Plates More Dates, Rogan was unequivocal:
“X-Y chromosome – case closed,” he stated. “What are your chromosomes? X-Y? Ma’am, you got to be in the X-Y box. Go over there.”
Derek elaborated on the implications of such conditions, describing how they allow for male-typical muscle development and bone density while preventing full masculinization:
“It’s almost like putting a kid at birth on a mega-dose of finasteride…and wiping out their DHT.”
He argued that chromosome testing, as proposed by the Enhanced Games organization, could be an objective standard for gender eligibility in sports. Rogan agreed, emphasizing fairness over political correctness.
The Dangers of Self-Identification Policies
Rogan expressed incredulity over U.S. passport policies that allow individuals to change their gender marker without medical documentation. On episode #2239, he read from the application guidelines:
“No medical documentation. You do not need to provide medical documentation to change your gender marker.”
“So I could be a female. I could just say I’m a female, show up with a full beard.”
He highlighted that the chosen gender marker “doesn’t need to match your citizenship evidence or photo ID.”
Rogan argued that while most transgender individuals are not a threat, such policies could be exploited by bad actors:
“They used to be psychos…Dress up like his mom. Silence of the Lambs. It puts the lotion in the basket.”
He further lamented the societal shift that, in his view, ignores potential dangers:
“Somewhere we just decided that [p*rverts] don’t exist anymore. And so there’s no [p*rverts].”
“If you wanted to make someone in a movie scarier, you put him in a dress,”
he said, referencing Hollywood’s history of portraying villains in dresses—like Silence of the Lambs or Psycho.
