Dr. Robert Malone returned to the Joe Rogan Experience nearly five years after his controversial first appearance during the height of the pandemic. In the recent episode of the JRE podcast, Malone discussed emerging biotechnology trends, including artificial womb technology that he says is being actively pursued by wealthy elites.
“These wealthy privileged people don’t want to carry their own babies. And I guess surrogates are too cumbersome or risky,” Malone explained during the podcast. He revealed that the technology isn’t merely theoretical. “They already have a lamb that they have grown de novo in an artificial womb. We’re there.”
According to Malone, proponents frame artificial wombs as advancing women’s rights and convenience, arguing that eliminating natural pregnancy frees women from biological constraints.
However, he emphasized the profound risks of removing the complex mother-child interactions that occur during natural gestation, including hormonal exchanges and environmental stimuli that influence development.
“Completely disregarding that there is a whole lot of subtle, complex interactions that occur between mother and fetus in the womb,” Malone said.
He questioned what kind of humans might develop without any maternal contact during the critical nine months of development, referencing research showing that even music played for unborn children has measurable effects.
Malone warned that once artificial womb technology matures, it could enable the creation of genetically modified humans grown entirely outside the body.
“In a world in which we can have artificial wombs, we can grow our own clones to provide donor tissue,” Malone noted, describing scenarios where people might create copies of themselves as biological insurance policies for organ transplants.
Rogan characterized the concept as inherently problematic, using the term “demonic” to describe the implications.
He said: “It sounds demonic. I mean, is a soul a real thing? Just because it can’t be quantified by science, you can’t measure it.”
He referenced the case of Ted Kaczynski, who experienced severe developmental issues after being isolated from human contact as an infant.
Talking about the importance of a mother connecting with their baby while giving birth, Rogan stated: “He was very sick when he was a boy, when he was a baby. And they kept him in this nursery with no contact with human beings for a long time. No one picked him up when he cried. He just sat in this crib with no contact with his mother. Nothing. And from then on, I mean, his brother always described him as just like off.”
