During a lengthy conversation on The Joe Rogan Experience with journalist Jesse Michels, host Joe Rogan brought up a claim that has circulated among UFO researchers: that President Trump has privately told people close to him that aliens live in the ocean.
Rogan raised the topic while discussing broader Navy sightings and underwater phenomena.
“Donald Trump reportedly told inner circle aliens are living in Earth’s oceans,” Rogan read the headline of an article.
Michaels added that he had heard the same thing. “I’ve heard he said that too. Also he alluded to that. Remember the Jersey drone flap in November of 2024? He kind of alluded to that. He goes, ‘We know they’re coming from a garage. It’s a weird place.'”
Rogan continued the joke by mimicking Trump and saying, “It’s a garage. We have no idea what they are, but they’re in the ocean.'”
Producer Jamie then cited the source of the claim. “This is according to Jack Osbourne who said, I think to Andy Stumpf, and he said that he has got a friend that talks to Trump frequently.”
Michels responded that he knows Osbourne personally and does not believe the claim is fabricated. “I know Jack Source actually. No, I don’t think he’s lying,” he said.
Rogan noted that the claim fits with what multiple sources have told him separately.
“This is also what multiple people have said that there’s something in the ocean, you know, and this is.”
Michels agreed, pointing to his own reporting. “Yeah. No, I just had on the Navy’s chief oceanographer who we just talked about.”
The pair went on to connect the claim to well known cases, including the three Navy videos made public through a 2017 New York Times report, the Nimitz, Go Fast, and Gimbal sightings, all of which originated with the Navy.
Michels also referenced Tim Baschet’s claim that there are several ocean floor hot spots tied to sightings, and Bob Lazar’s account that one of the craft he reportedly worked on came from the sea floor rather than from a dig site.
Later in the episode, Rogan tied the ocean claim into a wider theory about how disclosure is unfolding gradually rather than all at once.
“If the president is saying they live in the ocean and they’re saying there’s five hot spots in the oceans as well. And then we see it in the New York Times in 2017. Well, this is how disclosure takes place,” he said. Rogan agreed, describing the pattern as deliberate. “Nice and slow. Nice and slow to the point where it just becomes accepted.”
